Vets and Breeders

Friday, January 2, 2009

Relationships: Vets and Breeders

Veterinarians are a breeders best friend.  They used to be; they should be still.  As was mentioned in the post The Power of Language,  the past two decades have brought about changes in the ways people treat and think about animals, vets included.  The following was written by “Lottadogs”, a long-time dog owner, breeder and member of the showing fancy.  Read it, then go have a serious conversation with your veterinarian.

Vets and Breeders
by “Lottadogs”
The new vet is staring at my rather thick folder with an unhappy expression. “Are you some kind of breeder or something?” she asks as my heart sinks.

“Why yes” I answer with a smile, “I’m a breeder and I also do breed rescue making my folder extra thick. I like to say I’m a responsible breeder and that I care about more than just the puppies I produce.” She looks at me in disbelief and then examines my dog.

“How many litters has she had?” the vet asks. “None,” I reply, “she’s just getting old enough to have completed her health testing and I’m thinking about maybe doing a litter next spring.” Again the look of skepticism appears. We leave it at that and once the dog is cared for I leave.

Next time I’m at the office I ask for the senior vet and discuss the conversation I had with his new intern. He tells me the vet is very good but that the new vets are coming out of school thinking that breeding is bad as they don’t have a farm background like the vets used to when he was young. Back then most who studied veterinary science went into school from a background of animal care. Now they are people ‘who love animals’ and that is bringing in a new view of the animal owning world.

I do see more of the young vet as she is gentle with the animals and a good diagnostician plus her schedule is more open than the more senior vet’s may be. Over time she decides I actually am what I say I am, a careful and concerned breeder.

I know I’ve changed her view when she unexpectedly calls me one day for advice to help a client who needs to hand raise a litter. At one point during I conversation she tells me “This person shouldn’t even be a breeder as she’s not the least bit like YOU!” So I know the anti breeding prejudice is still there but at least now allows for there to be exceptions.

What is going on here that veterinarians are coming out of their studies disliking breeders? How could this happen that the professions that need each other should be so at odds? If there are no breeders there are no animals and no need for veterinarians. If there are no veterinarians who are familiar with breeding issues and the care of breeding animals then the breeders and their animals are going to be out on a limb alone with urgent or specialized care needs. People new to breeding will not get good advice or be guided into responsible practices by their veterinarian if the veterinarian is anti breeding.

What are the vets learning in school that makes them anti breeders and breeding? Here’s an example from one curriculum seen here .

“A small animal veterinarian has to decide what procedures he/she is unwilling to do for ethical reasons (e.g. ear crops, tail docs, de-claws, convenience euthanasia, etc.) and be equipped to deal with clients and colleagues who may disagree with your ethical values.”

The implication being that objecting is the correct and ethical stand.

In the early 1980’s,  Bernard E Rollin  who is now widely recognized as the father of veterinary ethics published a book Animal Rights and Human Morality which is and has been used in the study of veterinary ethics.
Veterinary Ethics: Animal Welfare, Client Relations, Competition and Collegiality by Jerrold Tannenbaum is another book used to teach veterinary ethics.

Previously ethics was considered to be about the ethics of running a practice, abiding by rules on advertising and dealing with fellow veterinarians etc. More recently it’s become about whether or not a vet should do a medical procedure depending on how they feel about it.

Starting in elementary school students today are presented with information on animal rights and encouraged to not eat meat, not wear leather, and to consider breeding and owning animals as immoral and cruel. By the time they get to a vet school they have years of images about greedy breeders, puppy mills, and animal cruelty firmly in mind.

Then at veterinary school these attitudes are reinforced with more training that comes straight from the animal rights agenda including peer pressure from those students who are ardently animal rights oriented. Some of it works to short term financial advantages for practices such as promotion of spay neuter surgeries.

There is the push for alternate sources of study rather than using real animals such as is seen here on the veterinarians for animal rights website  .   Not working on live animals is considered ‘good’ and working on living animals or dead animals is considered ‘bad’. Yet do we really want veterinarians who have not worked on the actual animal tissue working on our pets?

According to this site  :

“There are approximately 80,000 veterinarians in the United States, and 11,000 of them are already supporters of The HSUS.”

With HSUS being an animal rights group that supports the ending of all animal ownership or interaction between humans and animals it seems a bit strange to find any veterinarians supporting them at all, but they do.

So what are the results of the new age of veterinary science for the animal owner? Well in the new age lexicon Breeder = Greedy Evil Animal Torturing Person. Not quite how I view myself considering the thousands in dollars and thousands in hours I spend tending to my animals’ welfare!

This extends to the person with that new show puppy who will be encouraged to spay or neuter, not show or breed; perhaps the given opinion will even be based on faulty knowledge of a breed by a vet. I remember one vet who told me to spay my show puppy as she had an undershot jaw – which fortunately I knew was perfectly correct in my breed!

This also impacts the pet owner who might consider becoming a breeder as a definite effort to get the dogs altered is shown.

Extremely high prices for needed medical services come into play. $3500 for a c-section but only $150 for a spay with some vets refusing to do a c-section at all! When a beloved pet dies horrifically as the owner cannot afford to get needed medical care at staggering prices, how many will continue on thinking breeding is OK to do?

If you have a dog that is elderly but in good health, or young but dangerously aggressive or fearful, some veterinarians will refuse to euthanize if the animal is not untreatably ill. This leaves owners open to lawsuits if they rehome a dangerous animal because a vet will not euthanize it, puts more stress on the shelters who may end up taking in these animals, or in the case of a senior animal may mean the pet will be bounced in and out of shelters or foster care until it becomes too ill to rehome as so few adopt a senior dog. Is it kinder to keep the animal alive when the owner wants to euthanize? – some vets now think so.

Then there are surgical issues. Surgery is surgery and always has risks and is only ever done for the owner’s convenience and is never done at the request of the animal. So if it comes down to rights, how is it a vet can decide this surgery is OK and that is not? I’m pretty sure that if my dogs could discuss this, they would be happy to sacrifice a bit of ear or tail in exchange for sex and that their vote would be to retain the ability to reproduce.

In the new way of thinking,  it is OK to do surgical sterilization (NOTE: this is a .pdf file) of an animal with all the far reaching impact this may have due to the change in hormones this causes, but its not OK to snip off a length of tail before a pup can feel that surgery, or take off excess ear so that the ear can stand as is normal in dogs (a drop ear is a mutation seen only in tame canines). It is considered reasonable to mention only the positive effects of alter surgery but not to mention the negatives. Now how can it be OK to ‘sexually mutilate’ a dog without its agreement, but not be OK to prevent tail injury or fix an ear or remove a dewclaw? Do the vets not realize that if they alter the last animals they will be out of work?

I think one of the things the dog fancy perhaps even the AKC should be doing is ensuring the new vets coming along in the world are familiar with the positive side of breeding, and that ethical and responsible breeders not only exist but can be encouraged into existence by a vet with a good attitude towards breeding and the ability to guide a new breeder along the path of becoming a caring responsible breeder. Get them to be an educational resource for breeders rather than a card carrying breeder hating animal rights person. It all starts in their courses in veterinary science and they should be hearing from more than just the animal rights groups on the topics near and dear to us!

Seminars for 2011

Hi Everyone,

Many of you have asked me at the last several shows who can be expected in the
Maritimes next year as guest speakers. Well, I’ve been busy looking into some
seminars, finalizing dates etc.. for next year and thought I would provide you
with an update.

A weekend with Dr. Jean Dodds, Hemopet is currently booked for March 2011. Her
two day seminar will discuss thyroid disease, vaccine issues and a nutrition
discussion of the principles and new things on the horizon with nutrition. She
does not discuss specific brands of food , but talks about how important
wholesome nutrition is for providing a healthy immune system and resistance to
disease. She will also plan to talk about the new approaches to therapeutic
diets and those tailored specifically to the genetic makeup of individual dogs
[i.e. nutrigenomics].
Please note, that I will need a minimum of 35 participants registered and paid
by December 10th or the seminar will be cancelled. So, if you are interested in
going then I suggest you register early.

ABC’s of Breeding with Claudia Orlandi will be an exciting one day seminar (date
yet to be determined) discussing genetics and how to better your breeding
program.
Unlocking the Power of Genetics- understanding the canine gnome and how you can
use this information to better your breeding program plus a canine structural
workshop.

The ABC’s of Dog Breeding seminar is easy to understand and fun to learn. The
session will be followed by a hands-on workshop on how to determine shoulder
angulation and placement.

ABC’s of Dog Breeding Home Study Book (optional and limited amount will be
available)
Attendees who complete the ABC’s of Dog Breeding workbook exercises and send
them to AKC will receive a Certificate of Completion. Claudia’s involvement
with the dog fancy began some 40 years ago as a junior handler. Although she has
owned and shown various breeds since, for close to 20 years her passion has been
breeding Basset Hounds. The Orlandi’s have bred over 100 champions under the
Topsfield prefix. The Orlandi’s Topsfield Kennel is located on 200 acres in
Vermont. Topsfield Bassets hold numerous Breed and All-Breed records, ranging
from Number One and Number 2 All Breed Hound in 2001 and 2002 respectively, to
winning multiple Pedigree, Dog of Year and Nature’s Recipe Awards.

Claudia has served on the Basset Hound Club of America’s Health and Research
Committee, Judges’ Education Committee and is presently chairman of Member
Education. She judges Basset Hounds, Dachshunds and Junior Showmanship.
Claudia’s enthusiasm for breeding is matched only by her passion for teaching
and working with other dog fanciers in the area of breeder’s education. Her home
study program, the ABC’s of Dog Breeding, is based on the enthusiastic response
to her educational seminars on breeding and her belief that anyone can and
should understand the practical rules of animal breeding and canine genetics in
their quest to breed better, healthier dogs.

Dr. Robert Van Hutchinson, DVM - always a crowd favorite, I am thrilled to
welcome Dr. Hutchinson back to the Maritimes on Saturday October 1, 2011. This
one day discussion will deal with canine reproduction and puppy care and is sure
to be a hit.

So mark your calendars as 2011 will prove to definitely be a great educational
year!!!

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Shiloh Specialty

In July I was asked to be one of the judges for the Shiloh Shepherd Specialty that was held on beautiful Prince Edward Island. Well, I thought about it for a bit and then decided that I would do this. I had not had a lot of exposure to Shilohs and really thought they were oversized , long haired shepherds. Also, the few that I had met had either health issues or temperament issues so I really wasn’t very impressed with the breed. But, I am open minded and I thought that I had enough time to study the standard so I would go and do my best.

The standard arrived and I read it over. It wasn’t overly long and involved but right away I could see the differences between true Shilohs and long coated German Shepherds.  This actually made it easier for me to judge. They do emphasize size and this alone sets them apart from my breed. The head shape is different along with the ear style, although I did see a lot of German Shepherd type ears at the Specialty. The back and the croup come together totally differently from the German Shepherd.

When I was judging I was cognizent of the fact that dog shows are , at this time, breeding shows. Therefore you need to pick the best dogs that incorporate what the standard calls for. You must not focus on colour, sex or even grooming. As a judge you are most concerned with finding the animals closest to the written standard.

Well, I did my best. When all was over it turned out that my three top dogs were related. I laughed and thought that at least my eye, whether it was right or wrong , was consistent. The dogs all had temperaments true to the standard. My cautions were related to size and fronts. The dogs were very balanced but unfortunately for a couple, they did not show up to their potential. Can I sit here and second guess? Yes, I could but that would not do me any good. I plan to go over next year to watch and I wish everyone lots of luck.

The owners were wonderful and the whole experience was a lot of fun. Would I do it again? Yes but I do plan to clarify a few points first.

Informative website

 

http://naturalrearing.com/coda/index.html#landing

 

More on Structure and Movement

Puppies;

We are looking for athletes. Look for a well co-ordinated puppy. Puppies often have trouble moving from one gait to another. At 8 weeks of age, the side movement you see will be the same as you will see as an adult.The coming and going at 8 weeks will change as an adult.Avoid making too many allowances for your puppies.Big, overdone puppies may not be the best choice. Make sure you don’t just keep a big puppy for size. Make sure he is a very good example of the breed also. Straighter puppies are more in control of themselves as puppies. Be careful you don’t fall into this trap either. You can miss a good puppy because he looks too small.A puppy with proper angulation may be cowhocked as a puppy.Patience and puppies go together.

Breeding;

The difference between a personal bitch and a foundation bitch; A personal bitch was the owner’s first breeding bitch.Breeding up does work but it takes a long time.You breed a mediocre bitch to a good sire and keep the best . Then you repeat the process. This method is costly and time consuming.

A true foundation bitch is classic and well formed and comes from great bloodlines.She should be a bitch that is producing or is capable of producing superbe progeny. She will also produce progeny that are capable of producing themselves. Selection is the key to the breeding program.As the quality of the judging goes down then the good breeders need to be even more vigilent. Only select the best from each breeding to go into the gene pool for the next generation. You need to breed for the same type each time you breed. Set your type and continue to work in that direction.The more traits you select for then the less improvement you will see over the generations.The less traits you select for then the quicker will be your progress through your breeding program. One rule of thumb is to never go to a sire whose dam you do not like.The most important dog in your breeding program is the sire’s dam.

In-breeding- father-daughter,mother-son,brother-sister This is a very severe test and you must be prepared to cull as lethal genes will be brought to the fore if any are present.

Line breeding- half brother-half sister, aunt-nephew,grandmother-grandson The common thought is that the dogs in the third generation have the greatest influence on the puppies.

Close breeding- closer than line breeding but not as close as in breeding

Out-crossing- introduces a totally different set of genes.Breeding of unrelated animals. 5 generation pedigree with no related animals. But maybe type to type can help your breeding program. Hybrid vigor.

The dominant male line is always on the top of the pedigree and the dominant female line is on the tail female side of the pedigree.

That’s it folks……………………….

Various quotes from The Ed Gilbert Seminar on Structure and Movement

Live for our dogs and Not off our dogs.

Form-Function verses Fad - Fashion

It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness.

Look for traits that render a dog unsuitable to do the job for which he was bred.

A longer dog can move better to conceal more faults.

 Stages of Evolution:

1. stage 1- Breed evolves because of its usefulness to man.

2. stage 2 -Man selects breeding stock to best enhance usefulness.( this is the purest stage of development)

3. stage 3-Breed becomes a luxury item…………..pet or showdog

When stage three becomes an end in itself then a breed becomes one in trouble.

Functional type is working type.And this is not standing type. ( standing on a line to have it’s photo taken)

Straight Fronts—————-

Why are breeders and judges picking for this? Part of the problem is small rings and short diagonals. ( a more angled dog has a very short space in order to try to show[properly) . Ann-Marie’s comment…….Several years ago many dog shows used to open both rings so that the German Shepherd Dog had the room necessary to move out comfortably. Considering that in Europe the Shepherds are shown in football stadiums…you can undersatnd how a 40 foot ring is a real handicap.Straighter dogs can get into position faster and hold it easier and longer than those dogs with correct fronts.The CKC/AKC/CFC ring is no test for a dog…ie read German Shepherd. Form and function cannot be separated if you are a purist.Pretty is as pretty does. Exaggeration can become a threat to any selection process.

Correct Fronts- there is nothing more misunderstood, nothing easier to loose, nothing harder to reagain and nothing more important in the dog.( Ann-Marie again—-hind ends can be fixed in one breeding but if you loose your fronts then you are in big trouble.)

OK. That is it for today……………………………more tomorrow.

Rally Worksop and Seminar

Hi Rally Enthusiasts  - Here is confirmation of dates for a Rally Workshop / Seminar in the Spring.

The dates will be April 24 & 25, 2010 at the Lions Den in Amherst, Nova Scotia.

The Tantramar Club members plan a Fun Match on the Sunday, April 25 - giving you a wonderful opportunity to have practice sessions before the Show & Trial season gets going in earnest.

I’m going to spend some time preparing a ‘possible’ format that will be up-dated from the last work shop. We (Reta & Norma) plan to focus not only on course design & prep work, the Stewards in Rally, but also a description on the ‘how’ each station should be performed; a possible aid for Rally Instructors. 

Some of you have asked ‘ how should ______ station be taught and/or judged?’ Hopefully, this workshop will answer your questions. Meanwhile, we’d like you to keep an ongoing record to present during the Q & A periods.

This workshop is open to all Obedience & Rally Judges, Rally only Judges, AND all Performance Exhibitors. Please feel free to forward this message to those who may not receive it. 

The fee of $40.00 will include information packages, the Fun Match plus a lot of practice time. Registration form coming soon.

Our friends of the Tantramar Kennel Club will have their always fabulous canteen….... including chocolate cake & boiled icing plus those yummy coconut squares.

Bring yourselves, bring your dogs for a fun filled week-end.

Further updates coming soon…. stay tuned.

Let’s Rally

Norma Hamilton

FYI USA ISSUES

Subject: Competing German Shepherd Dog Organizations - Conflict of Interest


The Proposed Amendment Related to USA Membership and Membership in Competing German Shepherd Dog Organizations

Recently there has been a lot of discussion amongst our membership and on the chat lists regarding some of the proposed by-law changes. We have anxious members worried about the future of our organization and the German shepherd dog breed. The issue is complicated because it involves numerous factors related to the international scene that most are unaware of. Many who criticize this proposed amendment do so because they focus on the perception that an alternative path for monetary gain and glory would be closed to them. They harp on this, intent on raising opposition and discord, all the while abandoning their loyalty to the betterment of the German shepherd dog and the organization that has truly effected the breed’s betterment over the past thirty three years in the US and internationally. Moreover and unfortunately, many of our members are being misled and misguided by those that have a clear conflict of interest.

The United Schutzhund Clubs of America continues to be a full member of the WUSV. The AWDF also received a letter last year, from the FCI, granting continued participation as a guest in their FCI Working Championships. While we are not members of the FCI, neither is the AKC or any of its breed clubs. Our events continue to be internationally recognized. Just recently, the SV awarded eleven of our senior judges with SV foreign judge licenses. This is an epochal accomplishment and evinces the respect our organization has attained internationally. We also have four of our USA Judges that are FCI recognized. This is another strong indication of the international acceptance of the United Schutzhund Clubs of America.

History has shown that the GSDCA has, on more than one occasion, attempted to hinder with the United Schutzhund Clubs of America’s international recognition within the WUSV.  Those attempts were unsuccessful. History also shows that without the United Schutzhund Clubs of America, the development of the German shepherd dog in the United States as a working dog with adherence to the FCI standard would be very minimal, if even existent.

 

On several occasions, I initiated discussions with the leadership of the WDA and the GSDCA in attempting to establish clear communication and cooperation amongst our organizations. I envisioned our organizations working together and sharing ideas for the betterment of the breed. This past May, the President of the WDA and I agreed to work on a plan for a merger of our organizations. It was agreed, that since the United Schutzhund Clubs of America held a seat as a full member of the WUSV and the WDA did not, that I would work on the development of proposed by-law changes to merge both organizations. I was excited about the future of the German shepherd dog in this country and was preparing the necessary by-law changes to make this happen at our General Board Meeting this November. Just a few weeks later, the WDA signed a contract with the GSDCA. Unbeknownst to me, the President of the WDA also purportedly had a meeting with the AKC to promote WDA self interests while I was working on the necessary changes to effect a merger between our organizations. This is not the first time in the history of our organizational relationship that we have been misguided by WDA leadership. Although I was cautioned by several members, I maintained a cautious optimism that the current group was different. Certainly it would have been in all of our best interests to work together as separate organizations aligning with a common goal: “To protect and  preserve  the working German shepherd dog represented by the FCI standard”. While the optimism I once maintained about this possibility has all but dissipated; I still hold to the hope that the GSDCA and WDA will work honestly with the United Schutzhund Clubs of America for the betterment of the German shepherd dog through adherence to the FCI standards for structure, health and temperament.

The United Schutzhund Clubs of America should not change our stance on this position because the GSDCA has now decided to suddenly develop a stronger relationship with the WDA. Those organizations are placing their hopes that such an alliance will lead them to host a successful 2013 WUSV Championship. However,there has been no abandonment of the GSDCA’s love affair with “their American Shepherd”. Obviously, just look at the picture on the front page of their website.

  

It is time that our membership faces the issue of the huge conflict of interest that exists from belonging to both organizations. Belonging to an organization(GSDCA-WDA), whose idea of the German shepherd dog is so totally out of line with the FCI standard, hinders our ability to protect the WORKING heritage and FCI standard of the German shepherd dog in the United States. Please go beyond the rhetoric and determine the true motivations of those that voice self-centered indignation of the proposed by-law amendment by saying, “Organizations be damned, I just want to show my dog!!!!” Please also read between the lines and question the accuracy and truthfulness of those who are trying to rally your support by saying “Don’t let them tell you what to do!  Show them you will not be told what to do!” As was pointed out to me by one of our members, in order to represent the WDA as a member of the WUSV team, membership in the GSDCA is a requirement. I ask you who is telling whom what to do? All we are doing is asking you to make a choice, the right choice.

Thank you very much for your attention to  this letter. I hope it provides further information to justify the amendment and to rally your support in favor of it.

Yours in the sport and for the betterment of the breed,

Lyle Roetemeyer

Lest We Forget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX_3y3u5Uo

Merry Christmas

Twas the month before Christmas*
*When all through our land,*
*Not a Christian was praying*
*Nor taking a stand.*
*See the PC Police had taken away,*
*The reason for Christmas - no one could say.*
*The children were told by their schools not to sing,*
*About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.*
*It might hurt people’s feelings, the teachers would say*
* December 25th is just a ‘ Holiday ‘.*
*Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit*
*Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!*
*CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod*
*Something was changing, something quite odd! *
*Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa*
*In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.*
*As Targets were hanging their trees upside down*
* At Lowe’s the word Christmas - was no where to be found.*
*At WalMart and Staples and Bouclair’s and Sears*
*You won’t hear the word Christmas; it won’t touch your ears.*
*Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty*
*Are words that were used to intimidate me.*
*Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen*
*On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton !*
*At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter*
*To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.*
*And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith*
* Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace*
*The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded*
*The reason for the season, stopped before it started.*
*So as you celebrate ‘Winter Break’ under your ‘Dream Tree’*
*Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.*
*Choose your words carefully, choose what you say*
*Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS ,
not Happy Holiday !*
Please, all Christians join together and
wish everyone you meet during the
holidays a
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Christ is The Reason for the Christ-mas Season!